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Hi Everyone,

I need some advice from you about something. I sold a processor via ebay-kleinanzeigen to a buyer in Belgium. He transferred me the money in my bank account and told me to send him the processor via DHL normal shipment. I checked that there is no insurance and no tracking number in DHL normal shipment and informed him that he will not be able to track the shipment if I use the normal shipment, he said he is ok with that. So I have sent him the processor without tracking number and insurance on 03.05.2018. Today he wrote me a message and told me that he didn't receive the processor and he will go to a lawyer if I don't refund his money.

What should I do? Should I just refund him the money? Because without tracking number I can't prove that he received the processor. But I think he intentionally planned did this and wants to get both the processor and the refund.

I am sorry for posting in English, but I don't speak much German. Please feel free to reply in German, I will use google translator.
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put it to the folder...it is teaching money.
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Did you send it from Germany to Belgium? It's perfectly possible that it hasn't arrived yet. Just wait a few more days. If it doesn't arrive, it's really not your problem. You told the buyer that the shipment of his choice doesn't have insurance and tracking, he didn't listen. The money is save in your account(fortunately you didn't use PayPal) and a lawyer is probably more expensive than the processor, so I don't see the guy getting one. He's just trying to intimidate you. Do you still have the receipt? Send it to him as proof and let him decide if a lawyer is worth his time and money.
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Dont bother, he carries the risk of the shipment.
What is the difference between Shipment with and without Trackingnumber (Price)?
In einem deutschen Schnäppchenforum anmelden um eine Rechtsberatung auf Englisch zu erhalten

Mydealz Diverses scheint ja echt große Kreise zu ziehen
Bearbeitet von: "Amselchen" 10. Mai
put it to the folder...it is teaching money.
There is nothing to worry about as long as you have proof that you shipped the CPU. The proof might be an invoice or a witness.
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Amselchenvor 25 m

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Die MyDealz-Hobbyjuristen sind eben über die Landesgrenzen hinweg bekannt.
Amselchenvor 34 m

In einem deutschen Schnäppchenforum anmelden um eine Rechtsberatung auf …In einem deutschen Schnäppchenforum anmelden um eine Rechtsberatung auf Englisch zu erhalten Mydealz Diverses scheint ja echt große Kreise zu ziehen


ALT+F4 und der Tag gehört dir , was ist dein Problem?
Did you send it from Germany to Belgium? It's perfectly possible that it hasn't arrived yet. Just wait a few more days. If it doesn't arrive, it's really not your problem. You told the buyer that the shipment of his choice doesn't have insurance and tracking, he didn't listen. The money is save in your account(fortunately you didn't use PayPal) and a lawyer is probably more expensive than the processor, so I don't see the guy getting one. He's just trying to intimidate you. Do you still have the receipt? Send it to him as proof and let him decide if a lawyer is worth his time and money.
Boah englische diverses Anfrage und die Leute benehmen sich. Ich bin höchst angenehm überrascht.
My faith in humanity is restored
Zaphirvor 8 m

Boah englische diverses Anfrage und die Leute benehmen sich. Ich bin …Boah englische diverses Anfrage und die Leute benehmen sich. Ich bin höchst angenehm überrascht. My faith in humanity is restored


Weil sie mit ihren englisch Skills glänzen können.


Er wollte den billigsten Versand?
Na dann lass ihn mal einen Anwalt nehmen.

Put his Mail in a Gully and do a Deckel druff........


P.S. dachte im ersten Moment, einer der Ebaybetrüger schreibt hier mal eine schöne Story
Bearbeitet von: "okolyta" 10. Mai
Im afraid you got scammed. Never send anything without tracking, even if people say it’s fine: it never is. If people really want to buy something, they too will accept higher shipping fees with tracking included. If I was you, I’d set him a timeframe and tell him, if the package didn’t arrive til Wednesday next week, you wire the money back to him. Make sure you have him send you his bank info, else he might claim the money didn’t arrive. Don’t let this idiot scam you twice and always secure proof of your actions. For a detailed and substantial law support, please consult a lawyer specialized in European trading laws. Much success and good luck
Amselchenvor 1 h, 32 m

In einem deutschen Schnäppchenforum anmelden um eine Rechtsberatung auf …In einem deutschen Schnäppchenforum anmelden um eine Rechtsberatung auf Englisch zu erhalten Mydealz Diverses scheint ja echt große Kreise zu ziehen


Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen können, der kann nicht nur in eine Richtung übersetzen...
Bernarevor 4 m

Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen k …Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen können, der kann nicht nur in eine Richtung übersetzen...


Genauso könnten alle hier seine Anfrage per Google Translator ins Deutsche übersetzen. Ist aber einfacher sich hier über das englische zu echauffieren weil mans selbst nicht kann und eigentlich auch keinen sachdienlichen Rat geben möchte.
Gebannt
It's not your fault. He carries the risk of this shipping Method. You told him that there is no tracking info & Insurance.
Don't worry my friend. You are safe
Bearbeitet von: "Kibar_Feyzo" 10. Mai
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Bernarevor 7 m

Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen k …Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen können, der kann nicht nur in eine Richtung übersetzen...



deepl.com/tra…tor fi*** Google ins Knie.
Vertebralisvor 1 h, 4 m

Im afraid you got scammed. Never send anything without tracking, even if …Im afraid you got scammed. Never send anything without tracking, even if people say it’s fine: it never is. If people really want to buy something, they too will accept higher shipping fees with tracking included. If I was you, I’d set him a timeframe and tell him, if the package didn’t arrive til Wednesday next week, you wire the money back to him. Make sure you have him send you his bank info, else he might claim the money didn’t arrive. Don’t let this idiot scam you twice and always secure proof of your actions. For a detailed and substantial law support, please consult a lawyer specialized in European trading laws. Much success and good luck


Prima Ratschlag, schick dem Betrüger einfach das Geld noch hinterher!
Learning lesson No.1

Never send any packages without insurance and tracking number.

It's highly unlikely that he did not receive his package, probably a scammer.
Without a tracking number you only have his word that the cpu didn't arrive. So he wanted no insurance, no tracking and what wonder the cpu never arrives. For me it smells funnny.
I would store my post office bill in a safe place if i may need it again and tell him i send him the good on the terms he wanted.
I woudn't offer him any money since he refused to get the package insured.

Tldr
No insurance wanted no money for him.
If paypal is in any kind involved ignore my whole text.
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Zaphirvor 2 h, 6 m

Boah englische diverses Anfrage und die Leute benehmen sich. Ich bin …Boah englische diverses Anfrage und die Leute benehmen sich. Ich bin höchst angenehm überrascht. My faith in humanity is restored


Und die Leute merken nichtmal, dass sie gerade Versuchskaninchen in einem Forschungsprojekt spielen
Vertebralisvor 1 h, 53 m

Im afraid you got scammed. Never send anything without tracking, even if …Im afraid you got scammed. Never send anything without tracking, even if people say it’s fine: it never is. If people really want to buy something, they too will accept higher shipping fees with tracking included. If I was you, I’d set him a timeframe and tell him, if the package didn’t arrive til Wednesday next week, you wire the money back to him. Make sure you have him send you his bank info, else he might claim the money didn’t arrive. Don’t let this idiot scam you twice and always secure proof of your actions. For a detailed and substantial law support, please consult a lawyer specialized in European trading laws. Much success and good luck



richtig dummer Vorschlag, warum soll er das Geld zurück senden?
Bei Privatverkäufen liegt das Versandrisiko nicht beim Verkäufer
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Thank you all for your reply. I posted the processor in a Deutsche Post branch from Germany. I hope he will receive the processor soon if he is not lying. I have replied this to the buyer: “Es dauert normalerweise 4-8 Werktage für DHL, um das Päckchen zu versenden in EU. In einigen extremen Fällen kann es jedoch bis zu 15 Tage dauern. Warten Sie mal.

Sie haben mich angewiesen, ohne Sendungsnummer und Versicherung zu senden. Es ist mir nicht möglich, die Sendung jetzt zu verfolgen.”
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MalteFSvor 3 h, 50 m

What is the difference between Shipment with and without Trackingnumber …What is the difference between Shipment with and without Trackingnumber (Price)?


Yes. Normal shipping is 8.99 euro and insured shipping is 13.99 euro.
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CrowleyX1vor 3 h, 7 m

Did you send it from Germany to Belgium? It's perfectly possible that it …Did you send it from Germany to Belgium? It's perfectly possible that it hasn't arrived yet. Just wait a few more days. If it doesn't arrive, it's really not your problem. You told the buyer that the shipment of his choice doesn't have insurance and tracking, he didn't listen. The money is save in your account(fortunately you didn't use PayPal) and a lawyer is probably more expensive than the processor, so I don't see the guy getting one. He's just trying to intimidate you. Do you still have the receipt? Send it to him as proof and let him decide if a lawyer is worth his time and money.


I sent it from Germany. If he wanted to use paypal, I would never sent the processor without tracking and insurance. I have our conversation history where I told him that there is no tracking and I took pictures of the packing and with the postage stamp and sent it to him as proof. Deutsche post didn’t give me a receipt when I posted the box at Deutsche post, they never give me a receipt if I post normal letters or standard parcels (I always use “Online Frankierung” and post it to the post office). But my colleague was there with me when I posted the processor to the post office.
Like other have mentioned, store the receipt in a safe place, Maybe document the Email or Ebay-Kleinanzeigen Chat history with Pictures, especially the part where he insists on the cheaper shipping method while knowing the downsides of it (no tracking, no insurance). I think this would be helpful.
Bearbeitet von: "Karl-Heinz_Feuermann" 10. Mai
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Bernarevor 2 h, 34 m

Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen k …Er hätte ja wenigstens den von ihm erwähnten Google Translator benutzen können, der kann nicht nur in eine Richtung übersetzen...


I didn’t use google translator to post here is German because it is not 100% accurate and sometimes it changes the meaning of the message. I wanted to explain myself better. I only use it to translate and read, not to write something.
Tip for next time: Use DPD instead of DHL. Shipping with tracking and insurance costs 9,90€, so only 1€ more than the DHL shipping without tracking. Even if the seller refuses to pay the extra buck, it seems like a small price for your peace of mind.
Russovor 54 m

I sent it from Germany. If he wanted to use paypal, I would never sent the …I sent it from Germany. If he wanted to use paypal, I would never sent the processor without tracking and insurance. I have our conversation history where I told him that there is no tracking and I took pictures of the packing and with the postage stamp and sent it to him as proof. Deutsche post didn’t give me a receipt when I posted the box at Deutsche post, they never give me a receipt if I post normal letters or standard parcels (I always use “Online Frankierung” and post it to the post office). But my colleague was there with me when I posted the processor to the post office.


That's good and should be all the proof you need if he really consults a lawyer. You probably also have the PDF of Online Frankierung on your computer. This, the photo of the package and your witness should be enough to proof that you sent it. I'd keep the money and don't reply anymore.
Russovor 1 h, 8 m

Thank you all for your reply. I posted the processor in a Deutsche Post …Thank you all for your reply. I posted the processor in a Deutsche Post branch from Germany. I hope he will receive the processor soon if he is not lying. I have replied this to the buyer: “Es dauert normalerweise 4-8 Werktage für DHL, um das Päckchen zu versenden in EU. In einigen extremen Fällen kann es jedoch bis zu 15 Tage dauern. Warten Sie mal.Sie haben mich angewiesen, ohne Sendungsnummer und Versicherung zu senden. Es ist mir nicht möglich, die Sendung jetzt zu verfolgen.”


Very good answer, you are pretty much covered now. If there's any harsh reply after that, just ignore it, it's not your fault. However, like I wrote above, don't even accept uninsured packages, it's time consuming and hunts you, even when you did nothing wrong. It was his wish to send uninsured, not yours. Have a nice day!
Are you the famous Prince of Ruanda?
Tell him, that this belgium guy should come to Bene's house. Then I and my booby wife will treat him in a way, that he will have no demands afterwards.
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Kibar_Feyzo10. Mai

It's not your fault. He carries the risk of this shipping Method. You told …It's not your fault. He carries the risk of this shipping Method. You told him that there is no tracking info & Insurance. Don't worry my friend. You are safe


Google translator, Teufel?
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